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		<title>By: W G Peters</title>
		<link>http://www.thedebthawk.com/investing-in-index-funds/comment-page-1#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>W G Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

The DJIA peaked out around the year 2000, and has lost half of its real value since then.  For a lot of people, that means that even with matching funds, their real rate of return is pretty dismal.

The bottom line is that any investment is a risk, while paying off debt is not.  Just ask the millions of people who have lost most of their retirement funds in this depression, and still have a mortgage to service.  

Once a person has paid off their debt, and has spare change in their pockets, then investment may be a good choice.  Not before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>The DJIA peaked out around the year 2000, and has lost half of its real value since then.  For a lot of people, that means that even with matching funds, their real rate of return is pretty dismal.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that any investment is a risk, while paying off debt is not.  Just ask the millions of people who have lost most of their retirement funds in this depression, and still have a mortgage to service.  </p>
<p>Once a person has paid off their debt, and has spare change in their pockets, then investment may be a good choice.  Not before.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Piper</title>
		<link>http://www.thedebthawk.com/investing-in-index-funds/comment-page-1#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Err, inflation comes out of an interest rate too.

To stick with the 30% interest rate, if inflation is 3%, then that means that the inflation-adjusted interest rate (and thus the ROI you&#039;d be earning by paying off the debt) is only 27%.

Same thing with a 401k match. Instead of an instant 100% return it&#039;s an instant 97% return.

If anything, that seems to me to be an argument in favor of the 401k match. (Because inflation only takes away 3/100ths of the return rather than 1/10th of it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err, inflation comes out of an interest rate too.</p>
<p>To stick with the 30% interest rate, if inflation is 3%, then that means that the inflation-adjusted interest rate (and thus the ROI you&#8217;d be earning by paying off the debt) is only 27%.</p>
<p>Same thing with a 401k match. Instead of an instant 100% return it&#8217;s an instant 97% return.</p>
<p>If anything, that seems to me to be an argument in favor of the 401k match. (Because inflation only takes away 3/100ths of the return rather than 1/10th of it.)</p>
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		<title>By: W G Peters</title>
		<link>http://www.thedebthawk.com/investing-in-index-funds/comment-page-1#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>W G Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

What you say may be true in terms of dollars but not in terms of wealth.  When inflation is figured in, I have lost on every form of investment.

Remember, money is not wealth, and the goal should be to increase our wealth, not inflated dollars.

I am debt free, but I would be a lot wealthier had I completely shunned 401Ks and IRAs in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>What you say may be true in terms of dollars but not in terms of wealth.  When inflation is figured in, I have lost on every form of investment.</p>
<p>Remember, money is not wealth, and the goal should be to increase our wealth, not inflated dollars.</p>
<p>I am debt free, but I would be a lot wealthier had I completely shunned 401Ks and IRAs in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Piper</title>
		<link>http://www.thedebthawk.com/investing-in-index-funds/comment-page-1#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>W G Peters: Most 401(k) plans that I&#039;ve seen have a low-risk or no-risk option (i.e., a money market account).

Also, if you were to invest in stock funds in your 401(k), even with poor market returns, the instant 100% match makes for an ROI that&#039;s likely better than that earned from paying off debt--even high interest debt.

That said, if you&#039;re dead set on not investing until your debt is paid off, then that&#039;s fine. Nobody&#039;s going to tell you that a 30% risk-free, tax-free option is a bad choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W G Peters: Most 401(k) plans that I&#8217;ve seen have a low-risk or no-risk option (i.e., a money market account).</p>
<p>Also, if you were to invest in stock funds in your 401(k), even with poor market returns, the instant 100% match makes for an ROI that&#8217;s likely better than that earned from paying off debt&#8211;even high interest debt.</p>
<p>That said, if you&#8217;re dead set on not investing until your debt is paid off, then that&#8217;s fine. Nobody&#8217;s going to tell you that a 30% risk-free, tax-free option is a bad choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you investment horizon is long enough and you are properly diversified, investing in a 401k or other retirement account is a great way to invest.  However, if you have any debt at 8% or over, I agree that you should pay that off first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you investment horizon is long enough and you are properly diversified, investing in a 401k or other retirement account is a great way to invest.  However, if you have any debt at 8% or over, I agree that you should pay that off first.</p>
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		<title>By: W G Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>W G Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
Even 401Ks and IRAs are a risk.  I have lost money and wealth on every retirement plan I took part in, including the ones where my employer contributed.  Debt repayment is a sure thing.  If the economy was on an upswing I might agree about the 401K, but not now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
Even 401Ks and IRAs are a risk.  I have lost money and wealth on every retirement plan I took part in, including the ones where my employer contributed.  Debt repayment is a sure thing.  If the economy was on an upswing I might agree about the 401K, but not now.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was carrying debt accruing interest at 30% I would pay that off before investing.  Go get a second job at night and work your tail off to pay that one down.

I think that people should always take advantage of an employer 401(k) match.  I would hate to leave that money on the table.

One trick I like to use is to increase your 401(k) contribution with any raise you get at work.  This is a great way to painlessly increase your contribution at to the limit of your employer match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was carrying debt accruing interest at 30% I would pay that off before investing.  Go get a second job at night and work your tail off to pay that one down.</p>
<p>I think that people should always take advantage of an employer 401(k) match.  I would hate to leave that money on the table.</p>
<p>One trick I like to use is to increase your 401(k) contribution with any raise you get at work.  This is a great way to painlessly increase your contribution at to the limit of your employer match.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Piper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>W G Peters: I&#039;m inclined to agree with you. A risk-free, tax-free 30% return on your money is darned hard to beat. Pretty much the only thing I&#039;d even consider doing before paying off debt at a 30% interest rate is taking advantage of a dollar-for-dollar employer 401(k) match.

For reference, the book is intended for people who are either finished paying off high-interest debt, or close enough to that point that they&#039;re ready to start learning about the next step toward their financial goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W G Peters: I&#8217;m inclined to agree with you. A risk-free, tax-free 30% return on your money is darned hard to beat. Pretty much the only thing I&#8217;d even consider doing before paying off debt at a 30% interest rate is taking advantage of a dollar-for-dollar employer 401(k) match.</p>
<p>For reference, the book is intended for people who are either finished paying off high-interest debt, or close enough to that point that they&#8217;re ready to start learning about the next step toward their financial goals.</p>
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		<title>By: W G Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>W G Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see the wisdom in investing unless a person is already debt free.  

Investments always carry risk, but paying off debt does not.  Unless the investment is %100 a sure thing (which I have never found), and pays off at a higher rate than the interest on a person&#039;s debts; the best use of the money is to pay off or pay down the highest interest debt first.

Paying $1000 toward a debt with a 30% interest rate is the same as making 30% on a $1000 investment, plus its tax free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see the wisdom in investing unless a person is already debt free.  </p>
<p>Investments always carry risk, but paying off debt does not.  Unless the investment is %100 a sure thing (which I have never found), and pays off at a higher rate than the interest on a person&#8217;s debts; the best use of the money is to pay off or pay down the highest interest debt first.</p>
<p>Paying $1000 toward a debt with a 30% interest rate is the same as making 30% on a $1000 investment, plus its tax free.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Piper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi DebtHawk.

Thanks for spreading the word about the new book. :)

I hope your readers find it helpful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi DebtHawk.</p>
<p>Thanks for spreading the word about the new book. <img src='http://www.thedebthawk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I hope your readers find it helpful!</p>
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